tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post6736373800419014897..comments2023-05-22T04:28:21.810-05:00Comments on The Why Man: How Heretical I Really Am!Pastor Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-34088039903683256982007-03-14T10:48:00.001-05:002007-03-14T10:48:00.001-05:00Is there anything in Pelagius that is both mainly ...Is there anything in Pelagius that is both mainly from him and also orthodox/non-heretical? I mean, following Augustine doesn't mean you're a stick in the mud. I think being free in Christ is part of the program of being orthodox/non-heretical.<BR/><BR/>(A real question, btw.)Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05791587899672940996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-57190627558476474922007-03-14T10:48:00.000-05:002007-03-14T10:48:00.000-05:00Is there anything in Pelagius that is both mainly ...Is there anything in Pelagius that is both mainly from him and also orthodox/non-heretical? I mean, following Augustine doesn't mean you're a stick in the mud. I think being free in Christ is part of the program of being orthodox/non-heretical.<BR/><BR/>(A real question, btw.)Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05791587899672940996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-37906788113458770882007-02-27T15:36:00.000-05:002007-02-27T15:36:00.000-05:00I'm sorry, You are far too compliant to be consid...I'm sorry, You are far too compliant to be considered among the ranks of the heretics. ;-)Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-24276560109149106922007-02-27T13:57:00.000-05:002007-02-27T13:57:00.000-05:00What!?! I must have misunderstood a quesiton!... ...What!?! I must have misunderstood a quesiton!... Or the quiz must be flawed... There is no way I could have anythig other than Chalcedon in me!...<BR/><BR/>;-)<BR/><BR/>Must be the stuff about the sacrements - Chalecedon was pre Luther (though Luther gave more to the sacrements than the Lutherans...) -> shows you what I really do NOT know about heresies... ;-)<BR/><BR/>You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.<BR/><BR/>You scored as Chalcedon compliant. <BR/><BR/><BR/> <BR/>You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.<BR/> <BR/>Chalcedon compliant 100% <BR/>Nestorianism 33% <BR/>Modalism 33% <BR/>Apollanarian 33% <BR/>Adoptionist 33% <BR/>Monophysitism 33% <BR/>Monarchianism 33% <BR/>Arianism 0<BR/>Socinianism 0<BR/>Docetism 0<BR/>Donatism 0<BR/>Pelagianism 0<BR/>Gnosticism 0<BR/>Albigensianism 0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-10388433832940847482007-02-25T22:16:00.000-05:002007-02-25T22:16:00.000-05:00Drat! - I wish I could take this test but my inten...Drat! - I wish I could take this test but my intenet safe software is blocking it... ;-) I'll try at work during lunch. They allow personal internet use during lunch if not offensive...<BR/><BR/>I FULLY expect to be "100% chalcedon complient" (tongue in cheek) but - remember - I am a wishy-washy slippery slope - a calvanist to the armenians and an armenian to the calvanists... ;-)mikeofearthseahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09360312341189566718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-11493873470308196222007-02-22T07:25:00.000-05:002007-02-22T07:25:00.000-05:00Steve,Well since I am only 50% of each perhaps I a...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Well since I am only 50% of each perhaps I answered in a schizophrenic state. That would explain the extremes.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-78838193496883314012007-02-21T22:34:00.000-05:002007-02-21T22:34:00.000-05:00The test must be seriously flawed if it says you a...The test must be seriously flawed if it says you are "Chalcedon compliant" AND Nestorian and Monophysite all at the same time. Since Nestorian and Monophysite are opposite extremes, there's a big problem there.Steve Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11283123400540587033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-71333517030733995782007-02-19T07:49:00.000-05:002007-02-19T07:49:00.000-05:00Hey James,We could have been pointing fingers at o...Hey James,<BR/><BR/>We could have been pointing fingers at one another - Burn him! No! Burn him!Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-36873203801132721702007-02-18T23:53:00.000-05:002007-02-18T23:53:00.000-05:00Phil, yes but i was more chalcedonian than you so ...Phil, yes but i was more chalcedonian than you so that makes up for my 75% pelagian. :)jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223648349703832539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-44610357519279106462007-02-16T23:03:00.000-05:002007-02-16T23:03:00.000-05:00Hey Carl,That's a lot of isms ain't it?Hey Carl,<BR/><BR/>That's a lot of isms ain't it?Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-11748079401307898732007-02-16T20:20:00.000-05:002007-02-16T20:20:00.000-05:00I'm not a heretic. but i am sick of semantics now....I'm not a heretic. but i am sick of semantics now.<BR/><BR/>Chalcedon compliant<BR/> 100% <BR/>Nestorianism<BR/> 50% <BR/>Pelagianism<BR/> 50% <BR/>Modalism<BR/> 33% <BR/>Monarchianism<BR/> 17% <BR/>Donatism<BR/> 8% <BR/>Adoptionist<BR/> 8% <BR/>Socinianism<BR/> 8% <BR/>ArianismAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-32748905481931122312007-02-15T13:58:00.000-05:002007-02-15T13:58:00.000-05:00"You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you..."You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451."<BR/><BR/>Phil, I finally took the quiz. The primary result is above. The weird thing is that I came out BOTH 100% Chalcedon compliant, AND 100% Nestorian.<BR/><BR/>Can't figure.<BR/><BR/>I'll post the full results over at Igneous Quill sometime next week when I don't have anything else to say.Adam Gonnermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975190849449996353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-32332479950594988182007-02-14T12:31:00.000-05:002007-02-14T12:31:00.000-05:00Dude you're more heretical than I am! 75% Pelagia...Dude you're more heretical than I am! 75% Pelagian! You are like a some kind of freedom rebel.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-1223379896968333322007-02-14T11:30:00.000-05:002007-02-14T11:30:00.000-05:00I clocked in at 92% Chalcedonian compliant, and li...I clocked in at 92% Chalcedonian compliant, and like you was quickly followed by Pelagianism (75%)jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07223648349703832539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-19005006839015119792007-02-12T15:30:00.000-05:002007-02-12T15:30:00.000-05:00Yes! Yes! Rehereticized by a real heretic!Thanks...Yes! Yes! Rehereticized by a real heretic!<BR/><BR/>Thanks Adam.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-54580229279922168592007-02-12T13:14:00.000-05:002007-02-12T13:14:00.000-05:00Phil, don't worry about it too much. It looks lik...Phil, don't worry about it too much. It looks like to me that test is based on the minimum that would pass historically. I'm sure Augustine would still want you slow-roasted. In many evangelical denominations you would be an outcast, so keep your chin up. You are still one of us!<BR/><BR/>BTW, my work Internet won't let me access the test. I'll have to check it out later.Adam Gonnermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975190849449996353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-53554600159435968202007-02-12T07:29:00.000-05:002007-02-12T07:29:00.000-05:00"First Fruits" is a bit o' embarrassing nom du jou..."First Fruits" is a bit o' embarrassing nom du jour, but heh what's a guy gonna do?<BR/><BR/>I did pastor at Carlsbad for 14 years, but I don't know about that mispelling in a letter. My typing can be really quirky when I am in a hurry, but that might be attributed to a Fruedian finger slip. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Only surfed Tressels a few times, and Swami's as well. Spent more time South of the Power Plant at Igor's, and some spots like B Street, or along the strand occasionally.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-13674777583383635332007-02-12T01:44:00.000-05:002007-02-12T01:44:00.000-05:00Phil,I think I may have come across reading it som...Phil,<BR/><BR/>I think I may have come across reading it somewhere long time ago or hearing about it from someone long ago, I can't remember now. But you were the first graduating class from Cathedral Bible College right? And, you guys were called, "The first fruits?" Kind of funny actually when you think about it. I think that college has changed its name now to "Escondido Bible College." Hey, by the way, were you also the guy when you were pastor of the Carlsbad 4square that sent a letter to the 4square headquarters and mistyped or mispelled "denomination" in the heading and instead spelled "demonation" ? Dude, if that was you, that is truly funny, lol. Anyways, it's late and I have to get to sleep. I could go on about the waves at Tressles break in south San Clemente, or perhaps the more local breaks you went to while you were in San Diego such as Swami's, or the graveyard, or Oceanside harbor, or Carlsbad etc etc, but that will only make you miss your old stomping ground. We're just a bunch of 'ol soul surfers aye ! <BR/><BR/>Peace and have a great week!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-21743958256892139012007-02-11T23:24:00.000-05:002007-02-11T23:24:00.000-05:00Hi Sophia,Yeah I'm somewhat a fan of Pelagius for ...Hi Sophia,<BR/><BR/>Yeah I'm somewhat a fan of Pelagius for his struggle with Augustine too, and for his stance on human freedom.Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-54150608502187826722007-02-11T23:22:00.000-05:002007-02-11T23:22:00.000-05:00Hey Hylander,Where'd you dig up that ol' Cathedral...Hey Hylander,<BR/><BR/>Where'd you dig up that ol' Cathedral Bible College info?Pastor Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344719487413688550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-66142906762478478582007-02-11T17:47:00.000-05:002007-02-11T17:47:00.000-05:00Congratulations on your proximity to Pelagius. I'...Congratulations on your proximity to Pelagius. I've admired the man for being attacked by Augustine. It's a sort of badge of honor.<BR/><BR/>One of the patterns in the lives of heretics is that they tended to develop their heretical positions later in life. You have it to look forward to.Sophia Sadekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06303748450821405889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-51721592082511262432007-02-11T14:40:00.000-05:002007-02-11T14:40:00.000-05:00Well, here are my results:You scored as Chalcedon ...Well, here are my results:<BR/><BR/>You scored as Chalcedon compliant.<BR/><BR/>You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You belive that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in eery respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.<BR/><BR/>Chalcedon compliant - 100%<BR/>Nestorianism - 67%<BR/>Adoptionist - 33%<BR/>Monophysitism - 33%<BR/>Docetism - 0<BR/>Ariansism - 0<BR/>Apollanarian - 0<BR/>Monarchiansim - 0<BR/>Donatism - 0<BR/>Gnosticism - 0<BR/>Socinianism - 0<BR/>Albigesianism - 0<BR/>Modalism - 0<BR/>Pelagianism - 0<BR/><BR/>I think I am a bit "ism'd" out now after racking my brain over all these terms. <BR/><BR/>I think there is another test by this same website that deals particularly with "orthodoxy". If I find it I'll put it up for more grins and giggles. :)<BR/><BR/>Peace,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-84691349770245204522007-02-11T11:15:00.000-05:002007-02-11T11:15:00.000-05:00Phil,I knew you were not a heretic! lol. You, gr...Phil,<BR/><BR/>I knew you were not a heretic! lol. You, graduating with honors as the "First Fruits" of Cathedral Bible College, I knew they taught you well. You are a gentleman and a scholar Phil, and a darn good thinker too! :)<BR/><BR/>Blessings to you and your family!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26895116.post-17572547958940219462007-02-11T00:38:00.000-05:002007-02-11T00:38:00.000-05:00here is how i scored: You are Chalcedon compliant....here is how i scored:<BR/><BR/> You are Chalcedon compliant. Congratulations, you're not a heretic. You believe that Jesus is truly God and truly man and like us in every respect, apart from sin. Officially approved in 451.<BR/><BR/>like, i did not figure on this. plus, i have never been compliant. but then, maybe it is popular to not be orthodox today so then my nature requires me to be orthodox and therefore... you get the picture.Mike Murrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17953216797987615864noreply@blogger.com